Talk:Fever

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Rectal/oral temperature[edit]

I've read elsewhere (WebMD primarily) that rectal and oral temperatures can differ by up to a degree F. This makes the listed categorizations of low grade/moderate/high grade somewhat ambiguous, especially to someone perusing Wikipedia to get high-quality information. Could someone with deeper knowledge of the subject please clarify this?

Measurement question[edit]

In the measurement section, the article lists three measurements for fever, however, it is not mentioned if these are ands or ors. I.e., do all of these conditions need to be met for it to technically be considered a fever, or will only one measurement-do?

   Each country has its own definition for what is technically a fever so the measurement that should be used is the one in the country you live in. Be sure to check government websites to see what is technically a fever in your respective country.

About measuring the temperature[edit]

When it comes about measuring temperature there should be complete knowledge about body temperature. there are two types of temperature---- 1. Shell temperature 2. Core temperature Shell temperature is the temperature of the surface of the body which can be measured from the axilla or oral. It is always a degree F less than the core temperature. Core temperature is the temperature inside the body. It is the actual temperature of our body. It is the temperature which is measured in the rectum. When we see the oral temperature we must add one degree F with that so that we can have the actuall temperature of our body

What is maximum level recorded hyperthermia[edit]

What is maximum level recorded hyperthermia

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Text[edit]

" on the other hand fever treatment results in increased mortality from influenza in animals. https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/read-the-journal/all-issues/2010-2019/2011/vol-124-no-1338/letter-eyers"

This is not a sufficient source to support. It is a letter and it is tentative at best. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:24, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

This is a letter not a review per [1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:42, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Here is the review the letter references. Will add it to the body of the text. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:46, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Bacterial versus viral fever[edit]

Hello. Would it be interesting to add in the article that: fever from bacterial infection is ususally higher than one from a virus (example of reference: https://www.dukehealth.org/blog/it-bacterial-infection-or-virus).

Thanks. 145.232.230.253 (talk) 10:55, 6 January 2020 (UTC).

Not sure why this was removed[edit]

"There is not a single agreed-upon upper limit for normal temperature with sources using values between 37.5 and 38.3 °C (99.5 and 100.9 °F) in humans.[1][2]"

It is still very much true. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:22, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Read the Harrison's. The temperature is for oral not central. Have thus moved "An a.m. temperature of >37.2°C (>98.9°F) or a p.m. temperature of >37.7°C (>99.9°F) would indicate a fever." to the body. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Text in question is "The maximal normal oral temperature is 37.2°C (98.9°F) at 6 A.M. and 37.7°C (99.9°F) at 4 P.M.; these values define the 99th percentile for healthy individuals. In light of these studies, an A.M. temperature of >37.2°C (>98.9°F) or a P.M. temperature of >37.7°C (>99.9°F) would define a fever." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:47, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Normal temperaturę[edit]

Of course the normal temperaturę for people is 36.6 C. It was like that when we were children and it is like that today. When people have 37 or może feel unwell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.143.28 (talk) 05:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference NC08 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference CC09 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Moving this here[edit]

lead/article statements on when to treat pyrexia need review for consistency, accuracy to source (see also next); lead at least needs rewrite to clearly separate adult, pediatric sources and statements (with sources useful for both annotated as such); article is oversectioned, has redundant and stray material, and so needs thorough going over (e.g., see recent hypothalamus subsection edits)

Most statements apply to both children and adults and it is stated when children are the subject. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
First, @Doc James:, you ignore most of the issues raised, to focus on just one. Second, on that one—no, with all due respect, adequate care has not been taken in this article to differentiate between sources written with a focus on adult pathologies versus sources written looking at peds populations. As such, all forms of confounding errors appear here, in the combinations of general statements and specific sources. If temperature regulation or pediatric versus adult differences is not one in your expertise, or if lack lack the time, prehaps recruit someone who can look to each lead statement, to see if there is sufficient justification for making the claim of each sentence based on the specific sources that appear.
That you know/believe all is well regardless of the state of things is certainly fine for you, seemingly for others here as well. But the haste with which you confounded the adult and peds data for COVID, today, makes me think you have not given this issue the time or thought required, either. But do as you will. After today, we've lost hope in the process, and are just posting an institutional "do not use" tag on the article. 2601:246:C700:19D:DC18:A173:C6E3:3CFB (talk) 06:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Tagging[edit]

[Figure and original article tag posting.]

Characteristics of various types of fever.[according to whom?]
a) Fever continues;[clarification needed]
b) Fever continues to abrupt onset and remission;[clarification needed]
c) Remittent fever;
d) Intermittent fever;
e) Undulant fever;
f) Relapsing fever

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Issues with the hand-drawn ABCDEF image and its legend, that originally appeared in section tags regarding this figure:

  • there is a discrepancy between the fever types covered between the image and the text (three in text, six in figure/legend),
  • there is a discrepancy between the terminologies used between text and the image (cf. "continuous" and "continues"),
  • there is an issue with what might reasonably be interpreted from the image, versus what is stated in the text,
  • the drawing of the image is confusing (lacking temperature and time labels to Y- and X-axes),
  • the image shows various temperatures dropping below normal (bold horizontal line),
  • to the extent that the main text covered the image, neither legend or main test noted/explained varying periodicities, varying steepnesses of onsets, differing natures of peaks, etc., and
  • the image basis is unsourced, so not readily checked/corrected—at very least the source needs to appear so the legend and article text can be made consistent.

2601:246:C700:19D:DC18:A173:C6E3:3CFB (talk) 06:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

We are fine with the posting of this content here. As the tag content noted, we found this image and its integration to be almost hopelessly problematic. 2601:246:C700:19D:DC18:A173:C6E3:3CFB (talk) 06:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Tagging[edit]

Either inline tags or a banner is all that is needed. Not both. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

See my closing comment at your Talk page. You had removed both banner and inline, and it is only because we are stubborn, that any appear here at all. 2601:246:C700:19D:DC18:A173:C6E3:3CFB (talk) 07:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
User in question is topic banned from tagging since 2017.[2] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

A chapter is sufficient. A lot of ebooks no longer list page numbers. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

This must be a Wikiproject Medicine executive edict, then, because last we looked, the stated WP guidelines dictated a page range of 1-2 pages. And while many e-books lack page numbers, most still have hardcopy versions available, from which page numbers can be drawn. Of course, in the case of chapters of a few pages, there is no real issue. But as we both know, some chapters are many tens of pages long, and a chapter-only citation to a long chapter is sloppy scholarship, and thwarts the quality of the encyclopedia (because it makes verification practically impossible). All of science communication has as its aim the reliability and longevity of the intended meaning of its content. Likewise, WP rules must enforce a common good, and "good enough for me" begs the question of what state things will be in when the "me" is gone, or when it is replaced by another, less scrupulous "me". All from us. 2601:246:C700:19D:DC18:A173:C6E3:3CFB (talk) 07:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Redundant sentence[edit]

I previously removed a sentence I believed to be redundant, which now recently became undone. However, I still stand by my previous removal of that sentence. User:WhatamIdoing said that the sentence I removed is about variations according to time of day which is different from the previous numbers, but the previous sentence I was referring to (which is the second sentence in the bullet list just above) was also about variations according to time of day. The previous sentence I was referring to also cited the same source, which makes it even more redundant in my opinion. I would therefore again like to remove that redundant sentence. Lymoz (talk) 17:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, @Lymoz. I really appreciate it. Could you check and see whether my recent edit solves that problem? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes it does! :) Lymoz (talk) 05:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for following up on this. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)